Justice For Families

This is a terric, though lengthy review of MSBP's history and usage, sponsered by the Autism Research Council.

Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy/Factitious Disorder By Proxy
William R. Long, M. Div., Ph. D., J. D.; July 12, 2008
A Critical Assessment for Judges and Lawyers

It's a bit too long to cut-'n-paste but I recommend it to anyone interested in the subject of the usage of false allegations of MSBP against women, not least because it is so up-to-date.

http://autism.com/families/MBSP_unabridged.pdf

We actually had a genuine case here and she went to prison. Genuine cases are extremely rare.

avenger wrote:We actually had a genuine case here and she went to prison. Genuine cases are extremely rare.

Strange - pro MSBP supporters try to push the idea that many women are bonkers. The report mentions that recent definitions no longer incorporate the obvious idea that if the child is removed from the cater he/she should get better. In many ways the pro-MSBP lobby like Rosenburg and Lasher have given up trying to define it as anything but a convenient means to abuse women when the fancy takes the accuser.

If jail is supposed to be both punishment and a facility for remedying the offenders character why were so many women in the past from the 1990's and particularly when Labour got into office in 1997 jailed, when they had this mental condition?

What and when was the case? MSBP was supposed to have been chased out of the criminal justice system years ago. It is only supposed to reside in the Secret Courts that allow false allegations against women.

Wow. Have only skimmed the first few pages so far, but thank God, finally something that from a first glance looks to be an incredibly useful piece of information. Delighted that it's the ARI that sponsored it as well; finally those of us with autistic children might start seeing a shift in attitudes.

Out of interest - does anyone know if there have been any cases of MSBP causing death or serious injury (other than Beverley Allitt, which is the only one I know about)? Would just be interested to read more about it.

Would anyone mind if I post the link to the article on another forum I belong to? Thanks so much for posting this up.

Strange - pro MSBP supporters try to push the idea that many women are bonkers

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It comes from the old fashioned ideas that women are hysterical and illogical. In certain cultures like the Asian that women are inherently evil and to blame for man's sin.

I am trying to find the article of the genuine case.
Incidentally Beverley Allitt was not true MSBP anyway. I lived in the area at the time and my friend knew the one of the families who were harmed by Allitt.

It was said that she had an extremely good lawyer who put this MSBP theory to the court so she would evade going to a real prison.

Allitt was a self harmer so maybe they have made a tenuous link between self harmers and mspb because of her.

Pineapple wrote:Out of interest - does anyone know if there have been any cases of MSBP causing death or serious injury (other than Beverley Allitt, which is the only one I know about)? Would just be interested to read more about it.
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There are quite a few cases when a false allegation of Witchcraft Syndrome has contributed to the death of a child/baby.

The Julie Patrick scandal was probably the most notable;

http://www.msbp.com/julie.htm

A significant number of cases of mothers being accused of MSBP have resulted in the death of the child or their life being put in danger.

This is because treatment for whatever it was and investigations to discover what the illness was ceased. The child would get better in the absence of the mother. But the child does not get better. Such is the arrogance and fervour of belief that the MSBP claims are continued in. it is claimed that the mother is sneaking in to smother or poison the child, or more and more rigourous security is instituted to prevent the medicines/ food of the child being poisoned.

In the early cases in the early '90's a drug was being used for indigestion which had the side effect of dramatically lowering blood pressure and heartrate in children. persistent claims were made of the mother smothering the child.

The Beverley Allitt case is significant since it resulted in claims of MSBP being very common and a scare being created.

What I've been trying to do recently is to try to map social services departments who encouraged false SRA (Satanic Ritual Abuse) allegations in the early 1990's with those that allow and encourage false Witchcraft Syndrome allegations from the mid-1990's to the present day.

The evidence, though not yet compelling, does suggest that the same departments and social workers simply switched from one methodology to another as SRA lost it's credibility and went "out of fashion."

MSBP in itself isn't quite so fashionable; to make a false allegation the social worker really needs the willing and enthusiastic participation of the likes of a paediatrician or other health care worker, and they aren't always game for making such an allegation. In the case of Leeds City Council vs Mrs YX & Mr ZX (http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Fam/2008/802.html the false allegations of child abuse (no MSBP allegation, but employed RAD as the false allegation mechanism) came unstuck due to the intervention of Dr Sheila Clark, a consultant dermatologist, who was seemingly unwillingly to "follow the line."

In response to the vulnerability of false MSBP allegations requiring the willing and active participation of others, we have "emotional abuse" an unrecognised and undefined term that gives the social workers more scope for placing a false allegation without being dependent on health workers who can't always be trusted to comply. Emotional abuse allows for the use of a specific sub-set of experts to be employed who can always be guranteed to submit a report that favours forced adoption, and as a "crank" science concept - emotional abuse can comprise anything and everything, allowing even minor incidents to be overblown and for almost limitless opportunities for "gilding the lily."

This does make me laugh and I entirely agree Peavey.

SRA was the buzz word many moons ago and many parents were accused of it. I look back now and think how on earth could so many parents have been satanic ritual abusers? It was a hot topic some time ago and remember endless news articles about it. The thing is that these parents came across as very normal when interviewed (I guess I am thinking of Orkney and Cleveland here) and not the types who would be sacrificing their children and exchanging blood.

I guess I am more interested in the emotional abuse theory because I have been labelled with having the potential to emotionally abuse a child and hence recommendations have been made should I ever have my own child which I think is really off to be honest.

I understand the concept of emotional abuse. It shoud be about a parents actions and words resulting in damaging a child's self esteem i.e. calling the child names or not displaying love and affection to a child.

It should never be about trivial things that social workers turn into a huge issue i.e. the examples that Eric Pickles has given and it really worries me that these reasons can be accepted by judges as a reason to remove a child.

However I am also interested in MSBP because of how such a crazy notion requires such little standard of proof in the family court and how many mothers can be accused of this secretly when we all know that this is an extremely rare condition.

PeaveyC30 wrote:This is a terric, though lengthy review of MSBP's history and usage, sponsered by the Autism Research Council.

Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy/Factitious Disorder By Proxy
William R. Long, M. Div., Ph. D., J. D.; July 12, 2008
A Critical Assessment for Judges and Lawyers

It's a bit too long to cut-'n-paste but I recommend it to anyone interested in the subject of the usage of false allegations of MSBP against women, not least because it is so up-to-date.

http://autism.com/families/MBSP_unabridged.pdf

Thanks for the links. I'll post it up on youtube with the MBSP.

MBSP Youtube results of August.
1st place = ICELAND!!

And PAS
1st Place = Iraq.

Iraq seems a bit of an odd one. they've got a lot more to worry about than PAS. So this must be military, I doubt anyone else has internet, or even electricity!!

But any new reports into MSBP let me know, and I'll list a central place for all of them next to the video.
That way, whichever country is interested, can pick up a central source of research at the same time. I'm not a fan of what the SS are doing using this Invented syndrome.