Justice For Families

Its awfully sad when people say the child hates the dad and such strong statements are used.There is PAS.

Why is the child living with the dad then?Children do have a choice now.

Im not saying this isnt true but I keep an open mind when there is such animosity between parents.

Its awfully sad when people say the child hates the dad and such strong statements are used.Unless you know the people concerned then one doesnt know if this is the case.

children are allowed to say who they want to live with now.

Granted the mother should be allowed contact unless there was any kind of abuse.

It's terrible that a mother is denied contact or anyone for that matter if they love the child.

If there was strong proof of DV I doubt the courts would have let the child live with the father, unless the father convinced the court it didnt happen.

If there was strong proof of DV I doubt the courts would have let the child live with the father, unless the father convinced the court it didnt happen

Interesting comment A - in private law cases many children are given residence/contact with a father with a history of DV because Cafcass's general view is that even if DV did occur from the father to the mother, there is no evidence to suggest the father would be violent to his child.

I have actually seen this in some cafcass guidelines somewhere. If I can get a link I will post it.

However DV is obviously something that is used against parents so that the ss can take children away because of the emotional harm they can experience.

I have heard of these double standards before between Cafcass and SS and public and private law and this is an excellent example.

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How weird. They system is ***** up.

So private law has different standards to care proceedings. What do they call that public law.

I know a case where the doctors said the father burned the child. SS were their usual useless selves. so she took it to court and he had to have supervised contact. Now he has got unsupervised and the child is miserable. He was also violent to his ex partner.

People have lost thier children to adoption for much less.

Sorry this detracts from OP which is request for MK.

To be truthfull the LA in the first instance did not support the child going to the father, there is documented evidence of the DV, it was the JUDGE who forced the issue, this mums story was in the local paper last year, she went on hunger strike over it. I have read her paperwork as I have been in court with her before. I cant say too much on here as its a live case. But there is no dispute over abuse from the mother in fact the opposite, I personally think the Judge disliked the mother as she dont take no crap and they have done this to teach her a lesson. I cant even post a link to her story as she has had to remove everything to stop going to prison, only they seem to think she has not done enough to remove it all, as apparently there is still stuff out there on the net. This case has gone on for 3 years and the only people to benefit have been the solicitors who sold her house to pay their fee's, I have seen the documents, so now the child has no inheritance, we are looking at going to the ECHR as the effects of this has cause the child to loose out and that is against a particular act of the childs rights as the cost were not proportionate, the Judge knew the mother would not give up and they have bled her dry. The father by the way was rewarded back £30,000 of his fee's. THIS IS WHY THEY WANT TO KEEP THE DOORS CLOSED nothing to do with the interests of the child as this particular child threw herself out of a window after being put with her father. They would never get away with this if there was some transparency. He is American and she is from venesuala (cant spell it) The child has been told that if she contacts her mother her mother will be put in prison, so no the child does not have a choice or a say.
Yes the SS know all this but they wont go against the Judge. This case is far from over as the mother wont give up, she has an exclusion zone around a whole county, a 91/14 etc etc. the courts are desperately trying to stop this mother as if she does get a hearing in the ECHR the Judge is in Hughe trouble. The fathers brother shot his wife dead in America, its all documented as is the DV only this was in America so the Judge has ignored it.

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To threaten a child that if she contacts the mother, the mother will be put in prison is mental and emotional abuse of the child on a monumental scale.


I've actually heard a judge say that "even if the husband is violent to others, it doesn't mean he'll be violent to his child".

Have they never heard of this little thing called habit? A way to deal with emotional triggers? Either you've got the capacity to be violent, or you haven't. In the heat of the moment, the violent guys often comment that they "black out" they remember nothing....
So how's a kiddie going to defend themselves?

Closed courts allow this utter tosh, and we kiddo's have to work out a way to get this stopped...


And they dare quote PAS! Dr Richard Gardener who invented PAS stated "Rape is the price to be paid for receiving the sperm". I still stop breathing everytime I read that...

I know this doesnt relate to the above case which seems very tragic and traumatic.

I have heard there are some women who will make up DV to stop contact with their children's fathers to be malicious.

It must be a very complicated area.Especially when things heat up and accusations fly between partners.

You are so right Avenger sadly women do do this to men often, I am also involved with mankind and RFFJ and have met many men this has happened to. in my lady's case she has the hospital records and pictures of her injuries. I am a believer in shared parenting unless its too risky then contact should be secure but not banned, unless child wont of course.

This lady had just recieved a letter to say court date changed to the 29th July now, but still needs a suppporter to go with her.

avenger wrote:I know this doesnt relate to the above case which seems very tragic and traumatic.

I have heard there are some women who will make up DV to stop contact with their children's fathers to be malicious.

It must be a very complicated area.Especially when things heat up and accusations fly between partners.

My ex accused me of being DV to her....no proof, no events mentioned, no dates, nothing. My legal representative advised me to ignore the issue because showing my innocence would get me no where in a residence/contact issue and the cost of that hearing would cost between £2000 and £5000 to get to a resolve. Ex was (and still is) on legal aid... I was nieve then and trusted solicitors.

My ex was trying to force me out of my child's life, but it didn't work, so she tried to intimidate me out the child's life, that didn't fare to well (probably not over yet)...so the next strategy is to cripple me financially so I can's afford to collect and return the child. Current proceedings are to try to reduce contact.