Justice For Families

i had a pre birth assesment only one session just asked me some questions then sw said you do know the baby will be joining into proceeding with your son, i said well yes i would have guessed that, so i asked exactly what that meant, she said that there is a good chance that when baby born at end of next month they will go court for a EPO emergency care order, now i am sure this is the order that i must sign to give her up which i will not, so im thinking they will then have to go court for a interim care order which is what they have my son on. this is what a solicitor told me anyway.

i have everything prepared for baby and if my son is returned home, my contact is positive my parenting is postive, but the risk that the ss dont want my son home is future risk of emotional harm and they saying that for baby now, they say what if i was to get into a abusive relationship again, ermmm its been well over 2 years since i was in a realtionship like that. since then i have had 2 partners one failed last year he left me, and the one this year (bumps farther) left because of the pressure of ss what they have put on our relationship but were still close and he is there 100% for unborn baby and my son! and ok yes since my son was born over 3 yr ago i have had a one night stand and a fling for 2 weeks which i would not class as a relationship!, but because i met bumps farther of the internet and rushed into the relationship they say i might do it again! therefore i cant have my children!

i dont get it, can ss really not give children back incase i was to have a relationship and the possibilty it might fail? im 22 for gods sake im bound to have relationships in thr future and i cannot get a mystic meg to come tell me oh yes this one will fail hmm yes that one might to! but ss dont want to return my son incase this happens and they want to take baby at birth also incase this happens, now they way they go on and on you would think i had had 10 relationships and a hundred one night stands!! ive had 2 partners and a 1 one night stand (when my son wasnt in my care) may i add, as i would never go meeting a man while my son with me, and i only had one BF when my son was with me and i met him thru family, the BF thats just left i got with when son was in care!

But they have made out that i need to feel loved because of my past childhood and that my need to be loved might come between my children and me.... i have never let it happen before why would i now, ok ok i did try to kill myself over 2 years ago over the domestic violence but i deeply regret that and would never be so selfish again, i am not evan depressed any more at all, yet ss are having me to CBT which is taking ages because of waiting lists etc... and they dont want to pay it, in fact ss were happy for fianl hearing to be in september! but judge and gurdian said no and now there isnt a final hearing date set yet, which in a way im ok about as now maybe il have time to get CBT done but evan so ss say doing CBT might not help.... but i dont know.

anyway there putting baby on CPR child protection plan its now called not register end of this month, i guess i can only wait and see whats being said, all i know is i have done everything they asked me to do, and yet they still wont return by son and now might take baby....


im lost i wish id never asked ss for help ever

You need to ensure that you have contacted JFF formally via email at emily.wilson-gavin@john.hemming.name

John This poster has already been in touch with Emily and yourself (Cal Morgan sent email), I have been given upto date details tonight and the ball is in mothers court, we will be there as said tonight. We just need to be kept uptodate with the situation.

Contact Emily.

The SS are following a blueprint.
- Emotional harm
- DV and taking the child.
- CBT as a delaying tactic

Roughly it goes like this. Emotional harm has no legal definition. It is SUPPOSED to reflect PERSISTENT harm. Now it's used for FUTURIST emotional harm, The question for those logically minded is how can it be persistent if it hasn't yet occured? So it's a ruse right. It's the fastest rising category for snatching children, so take care.

DV is used routinely to snatch children.

They will use any old tosh in your history to justify their decisions. From the face of it they seem to have you in their sights. There are many here who are more knowledgeable about DV and mental health issues and selecting a therapist. There are confidentality rules you need to learn and use with your therapist... so the other guys will fill you in on how to keep your sessions private. Expect the SS to pressurise you heavily over access to your medical notes and therapy. They have bad reasons to want this access.
The other thing about CBT, is that if they tell you who to see, don't accept their therapist. He's likely to be on the payroll or best friends with the SS. There are many here again who can tell you the dirty tricks played by the SS and therapists. The SS aren't medical so they need a doctor to sign you off . Slightly off topic- If you do see someone as a boyfriend/partner/one night stand, DON'T tell them. Don't tell them anything that they will turn around and use against you. Imagine you date someone and he turns out to have run away from home as a kid, or got a criminal record for stealing cars. The SS will use all this to justify taking your kids. Remember that chats with your GP are not confidential. So don't tell your GP about a one night stand either.
CBT means you have to "engage" with the therapy, then benefit, blah blah blah. With several phases to it. It's basically to delay the issue when they can't find a specific area of neglect or harm.

The very fact they're throwing CBT at you, says to me there's nothing wrong with you right now. Or they'd have labelled you as "personality disorder" etc. They use the strongest label they can get, to win leverage in court. As of yet, they don't have a label for you. Which is good.

The 'Possibility of Futuristic Harm' is the new 'Snatch Phrase' Their crystal ball speaks loud & clear, they should be called Septic Peg.

Delaying final hearing may wel be a ploy to include the unborn born baby into the proceedings, saves them the hassle of having to go through lengthy care proceedings all over again once the lil one is born. One option is a mother & baby assessment unit. Speak to Mobaldy he will be able to give you the info and advice you need re obtaining the information and proposing the right one

CBT is a psychotherapeutic intervention which takes far longer than 8 weeks for cognitive & personal change to occur, and they damn well know it. I agree they are going to try to use this to gather extra information so be careful what you disclose in those sessions. Think carefully when completing the worksheets. A person has to write their inner thoughts down so I would be suspicious they may say dysfunctional and inconsistent thought patterns. I worry they are going to use the CBT to get extra psychological assessment material to make the current assessments conclusive........... PD. Which ever clinician she engages with will have a duty to report to the courts, can be drafted in as an expert witness and can be questioned to comment on the sessions and work completed - cognitive processes/though patterns, how these would influence Mums behaviour & inter-personal relationships. This is especially worrying if the CBT has been directed by the court and Crapcass foots the bill, which I bet is actually coming from the Legal Funding Cert's. The judge needs to direct the sessions and work is private as confidentiality must be maintained, however I'm unsure a Judge would order this, infact they would probably order the exact opposite, full disclosure. That aspect must be ironed out before the sessions take place.

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I did warn you this was likely to happen. No they dont need your signature for an emergency protection order-hence the name emergency protection. Thats why they take it to court cos they know they wont get your permission.

They will do this shortly before you give birth probably so that they can remove the baby at birth. I dont mean to upset you but they leave telling you to the latest hour so you have less time to prepare.

You need to have a word with the Guardian as he is sympathetic and gets a list printed of mother and baby units.

You know where Iam if you need someone to talk to.

Best wishes and try to keep postive.

Hi can someone put her in touch with Emily Burgess as she will be able to help this mum focus on whats needed to help her forward . As we all know the the courts look for change. This is possible within the childs timeframe if she gets to work on it straight away before baby is born.

You need to ook at what McFarlane LJ has to say about this and also Munby J. Both good guys.