Justice For Families

Is there anybody available to go to the RCJ/principle registry office on the 28th July 2008. The mother is facing possible imprisonment for contempt. She has evaded it so far but they are not satisfied she has done enough of what they asked her to do. She has The US embassy standing by for if she is imprisoned, she has duel nationality so who ever goes would need to inform them of the outcome if its a bad one.

I have been with the mother before but cannot attend this one, she just needs support so she doesnt have to attend alone, also to take notes, there will be a local paper standing by to do a story if she is imprisoned.

Chrissie

Can you pass a message to this lady.

1. Take cash on her person into court - on her person (do not give it to a solicitor or anyone to hold). £100-£200, so that the cash gets booked in with her on arrival at the Prison. Note if her solicitor holds the money, he can't pass it to her. Keep the cash, in an inside pocket on her person.
If she gets a sentence, she'll have no money for 2 weeks, unless she takes and has it booked in on arrival - it's a loophole. So can you make sure that she's informed of this loophole.

2. Take a sportsbag/backpack into court with her. Pack all her make up in it, foundation, perfume, mascara, eyeshadow, lipstick. Spot creams. Moisturer. Hair brush, hair wax.
Pack as if she's going for 2 weeks in Ibiza. Take hair gel (non aerosol), antiperspirant (non aerosol).
No make up can be sent in to prison - this again is a loophole.


3. Shampoo, roll on antiperspirant and toothpaste. Take her favourite brands. It's double the price, so make sure she takes all her buy one get one free stuff with her.

4. Take several books of stamps, envelopes, A4 pads, paper, cards. Diary with everyone's address and telephone number. See through bic pens (all pens must be transparent plastic).


5. Flip flops. 2 or 3 nighties. 8 bottoms, 10 tops.

I very much doubt that they will give her a sentence, but she can have a trial run at using all the loopholes in the system.

Thank you secrets I will pass this on to her. Having not been to prison yet I would not have known any of this.

Chrissie

Having not been to prison yet

Yet??? Are you thinking about a little visit?

well as you know the SS Judges Masons can plant anything they want in your way to get you done for something, With the way they change laws we dont even know about untill we have broken them etc, who knows. But at least now i know what to take with me so I dont smell and can correspond to people.

I was in court recently because i refused to pay a fine to the DVLA, I chose to go to court. I had scrapped a car about 3 years ago, I sent off the log book, sent in the car tax for a refund which i eventually recieved, however a few months later I recieved a request to tax the said car. I ignored it as I thought it must be a mistake, however I recieved another letter threatening me with a fine if I did not tax the said car. I rang them up and told them I had scrapped the car. They told me to put it in writing as they had not recieved my log book back, so I wrote to them that I had scrapped the car, assuming that would be the end of the matter. However they were not satisfied with this letter and said that it wa snot good enough and I had failed to notifiy them properly, so they continued with the fine route. I rang them up and said I am not paying as you know I have scrapped the car as you refunded my road tax. They took me to court, I thought well the Judge would see sence, WRONG it did not matter that I had a tax refund, It was my duty to have ensured they had my log book, and that if I had not recieved a confirmation from them within 4 weeks of scrapping the car, I should have contacted them to make sure they had my log book, consequence a £110.00 fine for failing to to have contacted them after 4 weeks of not recieving the confirmation letter. I had a bit of a row with the Judge who said he has 100's of case like this and its the system at fault and there was nothing he could do about it. I said I will appeal he said permission to appeal refused. I had to pay the fine or a Judgment would have been lodged against me etc. My fault for not reading the info on the log book or tax forms apparently. I had never recieved a confirmation when I had sold a car before, it was a new thing at the time. Even though the Judge knew I had informed them by means of the tax refund, I got caught on not getting this confirmation letter. Guilty as charged

Chrissie

I know this is soooo hijacking the post.

I have about 10 letters threatening me with jail (amongst other things) and so far I am still out.

Before I was dragged through the family court (while I was paying and ex got representation for free - even though she was in the wrong) I was less than 5 years away from owning a house, able to consider 2 holidays abroad a year (if ex didn't spend the money having a holiday before WE got to spend it). Able to accommodate family if they came to visit, able to visit all me family all over the UK each year (or more). Child was in one of the top nurseries in the are, able to go to the better of the schools in the area....etc.

About 4 to 5 years on (and after secret family courts involvement and solicitors), I have so much debt, I need a lifetime to pay it off (if I can). Debt grows each month. So all the projected options (ones I had before divorce) are replaced by the opposite. Compounded by the FACT that I have to argue to see my son about every 6 months. This has now progressed to applying court action...so I pay still (or again). I pay to get my son (so I can see him) and I pay to take him back (to avoid breaking a court order).

An ex who is actually the person in the wrong gets to lie in court, misuse legal aid, make demands (in any way possible), encourage the CSA to collect money...etc.....all in the hope that I give up.

To date I have had 2 police involvements - both unfounded (eventually) - but the record remains. 2 court cases which I can't directly link to my ex (I remain suspicious), but prior to separating from her, I never saw the inside of a court. Now I help people represent them self in court.

Some people give up, some don't.....

Fortunately I got this list of things to take to jail some 6 months back.... I just added law books to the list.....just waiting for the threat to arrive.

NRP, sadly I think you experience and current situation typifies that of the vast majority of divorcees. Your ex may tell adifferent story, as no doubt would mine.


This might seem like a really stupid question but if someone gets a jail sentence, do they just get taken there and then? What about home and work responsibilities, is there not time given to sort them out?

I am going to carry money and my toothbrush at all times now...just in case!

I think we have to ask Ian Walton and Sarah White about this one. The mum I am talking about is in your position only worse, she had a £400,000 home and a business, now due to legal fee's through the divorce the solcitors sold her home to pay them, she is now on benefit and in rented accomodation and has not seen her 12 year old for a year, and is threatend with prison for trying to see her and posting info on forums to contact her. again this mum has never harmed her child but ss decided she should live with her dad who the child hates. This is a mum who fled DV and has been accused of kidnapping her own child. NEVER NEVER go infront of Judge Huges.

OMG!!!!! I am about to take on a case similar to that...from the detail, I know it's not the same person. I could say more but it wouldn't be right to.

In a lot of cases if men paid maintenance then they wouldnt have the court battles and expensive costs. The wives have to keep taking it to court cos the CSA obviously arent doing their job.

so maybe we should be blaming the CSA for not doing something and this would prevent the woman using court to retaliate and save on enormous costs.

On sites like CFGAP I got annoyed cos the other partner was slated all of the time and we only got to hear one side of the story.

You can only get a balanced view if both people have their say. Thats why I dont take much notice of posts where the ex wife or ex husband is slated as it only comes from one person's perspective.

The system does need overhauling. I also think if maintenance is not paid that the parent should have reduced contact or none until it is paid.

I think that would solve the situation quickly and save on expensive costs.

This might seem like a really stupid question but if someone gets a jail sentence, do they just get taken there and then? What about home and work responsibilities, is there not time given to sort them out?

Yes they go down straight away to the cells. They have to rely on family to bring them stuff.

I wouldnt worry Cavvy I cant see you going to jail.

As for threatening MK's. I can't see them ending up in jail. I dont know. For what reason?

I don't want to make this a discussion about the CSA lol, but my husband would have to pay around £50 a week out of his £200 a week salary for his children that he never sees, isn't allowed to phone and isn't allowed to write. That is what I think is wrong. Plus the carers are receiving financial benefits for the children too paid by the LA, even though they are not foster carers.

Back to the OP why is the mother facing prison? I notice escape said contempt but what particularly is being alleged?

I'm sorry I can't help more, but I can sympathise hugely with the mother - sounds like a similar situation to me and my husband Even being LIP is costing us a fortune in printing/photocopying/postage etc. I wouldn't mind betting that we spend between £200 and £400 a month on our case when all costs are factored in - not even considering our time. I go through at least 2 laser printer cartridges a month costing £70 each!

Escape - are you paying the fine now or still disputing it? Some of these government agencies are an absolute nightmare to communicate with!
I sold a car once to a garage and the onus is on them to fill out the details on the log book. They never did and I received a letter the same as you did. Thankfully they accepted a letter from me in writing to say that I had sold it because I gave them the name and address of the garage!!

FA if he pays he should have contact. If he makes the effort then the courts should allow him to see his children.

I would be interested to know why the mother faces contempt of court but I suppose nothing can be disclosed with these weird courts. When Potter says the courts are private not secret ,I would like him to explain the difference!!

Reasoning:

has not seen her 12 year old for a year, and is threatend with prison for trying to see her and posting info on forums to contact her. again this mum has never harmed her child but ss decided she should live with her dad who the child hates. This is a mum who fled DV and has been accused of kidnapping her own child. NEVER NEVER go infront of Judge Huges.

Its awfully sad when people say the child hates the dad and such strong statements are used.

Why is the child living with the dad then?Children do have a choice now.

Im not saying this isnt true but I keep an open mind when there is such animosity between parents.