Justice For Families

I was going to discus this with JH yesterday but sadly time was against us.

I feel that we need to hold a stop forced adoption/ wrongly removing children form parents demonstration campaign.

It is only in the planning stages at the moment, however I would like to know your thoughts and Ideas on this.

I know many protests have suceeded and failed in the past, but now with more and more stories of Forced adoption/persecuted parents/wrongful removal hitting the headlines a demo is I feel called for.

Now this time round theres many avenues we could use along with the popularity of facebook and myspace we should be able to amass wide spread support for this.

Again this is in its very early stages and would welcome your thoughts and Ideas.

The approach is small demonstrations about babystealing, but outside events promoting forced adoption.

It is important to keep this very well controlled so there is no chance of any violence or even strong words.

Hence very small numbers of people. The point needs to be made to the adopters that many of the children are stolen.

Post on all the FB groups and I am sure it will attract interest. What about asking M4J & F4J for support from their members too. A rally would be best, walking with banners with good slogans on them, in a calm manner & whistle blowing along the walk.

Get the national press in on it too.

1. Try to go for a significant date, like the 5th November. That made me thing of a Halloween special "steal your children" by social workers, with everyone in their pointy hats. A good analogy for child stealing.

We celebrate halloween with a social workers child stealing party... Something themed and eye catching. Scary but fun for the public to watch.
Kids wouldn't be scared as it's halloween, stuff like that is supposed to happen on Halloween.

2. Location. Protest outside the House of Commons. if this is prohibited, around Portcullis house, which is Exit 1 of Westminster Tube station.
That area is busy with tourists.
So we'd be eye catching.

3. The NSPCC are coming out with really "emotive" videos on child abuse. They blackmail the public into guilt to give them money.

So we need to use the black psy ops approach and turn it around on the SS. The steal children at midnight... they're old crows.


Halloween is on a Saturday this year too. Lucky us.

Get plaquards stating 87% of monies donated to NSPCC go to TV campaigns and only 13% to the actual cause of helping children!! Let the public know what really happens to the money they unwittingly donate to the NSPCC (secret ss).

Get plaquards stating 87% of monies donated to NSPCC go to TV campaigns and only 13% to the actual cause of helping children!! Let the public know what really happens to the money they unwittingly donate to the NSPCC

They had this at my child's school. Leaflet going home asking everyone to donate and had a spokesperson from NSPCC at the school. I chucked the leaflet in the drain. I am against child cruelty and at one time would support them but a mother on M4J got a foi response. Their claim was that the family courts decisions were perfect. Complete denial from them and that courts should remain closed. Also they got millions to run childline but only got 30 calls a day. They must be paid huge salaries. They are just another branch of the SS and do the public know they have contact centres etc and that they are paying for families to be assessed?

I would be willing to go on a demo if its within 2 hours train journey as i might have to take baby.

loving Mama wrote:Get plaquards stating 87% of monies donated to NSPCC go to TV campaigns and only 13% to the actual cause of helping children!! Let the public know what really happens to the money they unwittingly donate to the NSPCC (secret ss).

87% and then you have to take out salaries...and running costs.

Having been on most of the demonstrations which took place in the past. We do hope that you have more attendees. We will see.

Please bare in mind that not all adoptions are forced, and not all adoptions are babies, infact I would imagine that the statistics for infant adoptions are small.

What you need to do rather than demonstrations is try talking directly, or inviting some adoptive parents to Parliament John, and listen to both sides of the story, and also listen about adoption and about peoples experiences.

Now we tried to help a couple whose child was a FORCED adoption, and a bigger travesty of justice I have never seen. Was anyone there besides us to help that couple NO, yet it is a well known case.

Where is the child now ADOPTED thats what, absolutely disgusting. We feel for these birth parents who fought until the bitter end.

Myself and Mr Pan witnessed a corrupt so called expert witness, tell lie after lie, and a Judge who was dropping to sleep during the case. I kept coughing to wake the old boy up!!!.

What is being done about that NOTHING thats what.

I see the adoptive parents as often victims of the system as well.

ive been the same with the case about my daughter who was kidnapped ive had know help at all even im still fighting myself now after over 20 years to get something sorted out its not that i dont want to sort it out i do and get it exposed but i dont know how im just lost at the moment it still breaks my heart

I see you have been on the AUK board John. Its like pulling hens teeth at times convincing other adopters that there is a problem. Yet some are more enlightened.

It is getting more and more complex as time passes. Why can't we make people see that we all need to join together to fight the system.

I think the difficulty is that the adopters have put masses of life effort into their situation and do not want anyone to be hinting that at times there may have been a miscarriage of justice leading to the removal of the child.

You are correct. It is a hard thing to face if it may have been a forced adoption. But who is to blame SS for not telling the adoptive parents the truth. I am trying to get some other adopters to stop burying their heads in the sand.

Trouble is that many of them have birth children, and know what SS are capable of.

If we could find a way of getting through to the sceptics then the s**t would really start hitting the fan.

The adopters of parents like the Websters must know they have their children but dont make any effort to get involved or hand them back. Obviously they become attached.Adopters have to much to lose emotionally if they admit their child may be the result of a miscarriage of justice.

Actually there are some on AUK who justify miscarriage of justice by saying they are not responsible for the court decision and the child/ren need a home.

JH said the stats are 80% of babies who are removed at birth dont return home. So ss dont try to keep young babies with their families.The market is out there. I wish midwives would stop falsely reassuring people that ss do all they can to keep babies with their parents.

The point of demos is to make people aware that the real parents arent happy with forced adoptions and their should be alternatives. That children are wanted. Some of the public believe that all children who have been adopted are not wanted by parents.

You are absolutely correct avenger.