Justice For Families

Peter pan your comments are spot on, hence the substantial planning that's going to take place this time round, I know full well theres now more MP's than ever actually waking up to the system's faults, many do nothing but pass the cases to JFF however the few who I speak to are supporting and helping parents where possible, the factor of this like last week during the HoC debate on looked after children, not many MP's were present, but the main ones were, what JH and his Collegue Ann were saying was just what we have been crying out for years.

I know myself from helping the many families that I have in the past some of the decisions were the correct ones made by the SS, some of the Experts and Judges made the right decisions and choices, however what frustrates me the most is why there's such a profound difference from L.A to L.A, our own L.A are so short staffed our case has become the nightmare it is, the last time we saw an SW was 8 months ago, but the SW can report to court that we are crap parents, disgusting to say the least, every child matters, yeah true but not in our Local Authority is this the case.

The demonstrations I want all to assist in organising is to hopefully give the social services the shake up it really needs, along with cafcass to boot, whether it is forced adoption or not it is really about the simple facts that the Local Authorities are not working in the publics intrests or even to what the public expects them to do.

Funny thing is we are all involved in the child care system but as many of you might not be aware but the care of the elderly by the social services is also a disgrace, Why? why should the UK be at the bottom and second best to them most other European Countrys, when it comes to caring for our most vunrable, old and young alike, it is more than inadequate to say the least, we need the general public to be allerted to the way the situation really is, only then might we see some changes.

We will appear when we can, and are able. It is about time that they had another shakeup.

Our MP was useless when we approached him, enlightenment does not come into it, yet he is an intelligent man. Oh dear!!! Frustrating beyond words!!!

Some MP's are in denial. They don't want to deal with this situation on their watch.

Others don't have the specialised knowledge that JH has acquired, or spend a year to "believe" that this is true.

Then what do they do about it, they are simply out of their league. The sheer magnitude of the problem is such that they feel helpless against it.

We do need a dot to dot colouring plan of where to go and how to get help. Unfortunately that will mean the burden falls on us, and it's team work that will win the day. Protesting, MK's, publicity. Each one of us can contribute in a small way that will make a big difference.

We do need the press involvement. but my own barrister hid from the press on his case for 3.5 hours. So he delayed his case inorder to out wait the press.
With barristers like this, who are resisting change, it will take a lot of effort to change the judiciary.

So the problems are immense. But so much progress has been made, that 2 years ago, would you believe we would have the kind of change we've seen. It's not enough, nowhere near enough, but it's filtering through and MP's are accepting there's serious issues with social workers.

Let me know the dates of any protest, and I'll book a coach to be there.

Ive just watched the more4 programme. It says that three quarters of children who are adopted have been abused. So whats happened to the remaining quarter?

They were saying adopters werent being given help to deal with severely traumatised children to save money. So by increasing sws salary there is going to be even less money.

It is clear that some children are made very ill by abuse and neglect. I know a very badly damaged boy who is now living with gran cos his mum severely neglected him. He hasnt got these problems cos hes separated from his mother but from the affects of her parenting. But she is irresponsible enough to be expecting and ss arent putting baby on register. When I see Fran Lyon and how they treated her and yet this mother has done things to that child that I wont put on here. It just makes me sick at how warped the system is.

It did concern me that someone was advocating taking children much earlier when they are babies. This isnt giving a parent chance to prove themselves. Also 75% of adoptions were for children under 5 which again looks like they are targetting the age group that adopters prefer.

Meanwhile Mobs story wasnt on there but John H was.

i agree with you avenger as well my daughter was wanted and is still wanted nobody is going to tell me she was not wanted them people who have got her do not care less about her and also know that she was kidnapped and that we wanted her in our case its not that they did not know because they do ps im all for a demonstration count me in

The thesis of the story was basically wrong. It did not go into sufficient detail to get it right.

Sometimes this happens.

The best advertisement for the adoption demo would be myself and son they tried to get their hands on. They said we had no bond ,i was terrible mother blah blah.

People would see how happy and close we are and how well looked after he is.They would see that SS do try and destroy loving,responsible and capable parents and steal happy,well adjusted children. If they made a case out of nothing with me,then they can do it to others.
Although I do tend to be picked on more than other people and singled out by idiots who think im easy to bully and manipulate.

I suppose if I did that they would say the identity of the child has been compromised.

If SS say that a parent has no relationship or bond with a child.(which they knew was not true and just a reaction to going in to care)and you show the child and parent together with an obviously stong ,loving attachment,then that is the best way to expose lies.But you cant appear on tv etc with your child/ren.

Again SS etc are protected from this kind of exposure by "protecting the childs identity.

johnhemming wrote:The thesis of the story was basically wrong. It did not go into sufficient detail to get it right.

Sometimes this happens.

It was obviously edited by a pro-ss campaigner, and that seems to be the way the media are slanting against the onslaught of the press openly exposing the corruption within the system.

The pro-adoption campaigner was without doubt using his career as a means of playing out a scenario from which he was unable to save himself from in early childhood?

Why the hell are many of those working within the system doing so? I have met many social workers who have experiences of DV, and they are doing just the same, using their career to play out previous traumatic scenarios that have happened to them in life.

PeterPan wrote:You are correct. It is a hard thing to face if it may have been a forced adoption. But who is to blame SS for not telling the adoptive parents the truth. I am trying to get some other adopters to stop burying their heads in the sand.

Trouble is that many of them have birth children, and know what SS are capable of.

If we could find a way of getting through to the sceptics then the s**t would really start hitting the fan.

If children can't be removed from any family unless the evidence is factual and is strong enough to show that the removal is the only option, then adopters and birth parents wouldn't have to worry.

It goes without saying that if this was the standard expected in courts, then we wouldn't have the problem we have now.

I have sent a message to Nina Teggarty at More 4 regarding the programme last night to see what happened, I had spent a good few hours with her filming, half was about my own case but near to the end it was about the system as a whole, as it was recorded secretly and voiced over by an actor, I never identified a single L.A or person, ( I don't know why I keep doing that, maybe thats the problem) I could not see any problems with the whole thing being aired, I will say this about it though, we were very lucky to have anything at all published, the programme was delayed significantly.

The Guy who was in the TV studio has been adopted himself suffered a great deal, yes heart breaking I know but he really doesn't know the real system, he did his own 5 day programme a few months ago on Channel 4 Adoptions week trying to pursuade people to adopt children. His views on removing children early just showed to me how blind he is to the bigger picture.

Being blinded by the system, supporting something thats broken is no way going to make childrens lives any better, I am pretty pissed off now with the media, I have been speaking to all and sundry for a few years now but from the outset the press always happy when I have spoken to them but unfortunatly when it comes to releasing or publishing anything their silence can be heard for miles around.

Issues of neutrality and bias heavily skew what is being broadcast. It's like the readership of the Sun, understanding the readership of the Times. IMHO the metatarsals of David Beckham won't be of interest to anyone, but sadly I'm mistaken.

Yes, adoptees can skew the data to fit their profile, depending on how well their adoption parents worked out for them. Some children did need their adoptive parents to straighten out their lives. Some parents are wrongly accused. What we have operating is "vested interests". Vested interests of the LEA being sued due to mistakes made by social workers. Vested interests of defending their colleagues by quickly adopting children, rather than investigating further or challenging a decision (group think rules ok).

The LEA have a vested interest in the parents being silenced, and the case being closed.

Mobaldy,

Have you got a contact for Nina, or David Akanysanya please?. We would like a chat with them.

I wonder why the adoptive parent was blanked out, I bet it is because they know what SS are capable of.

The situation is much bigger than anyone can imagine. SS need to be made accountable, it is coming I do believe.

Ive just watched the more4 programme. It says that three quarters of children who are adopted have been abused. So whats happened to the remaining quarter?

I see what your getting at but I'm sure if you got the answer to the question the spin version would be:

Three quarters are abused, the rest given up voluntary or via parents dying etc.