Justice For Families

WELL.............

My son was taken at 10pm on Thursday Aug 27. The reasons given are:

We went to London on a 3 day mini break. (Wed to Friday)

Unknown to us, a member of another site that we are members of, was arrested. (on his computer was found my email address)

Because this person lives in London, plod put 2 plus 2 together and got 77.

The got a search warrant for my house. When they looked in the kitchen the refridgerator was empty and turned off. (this is important)

We were contacted 5pm on the 27th and told to return home immediately. We did. The police came at 10 am and arrested us- for 'child neglect'. We were put in cells for the following 22 hours.

When they finally interviewed us seperately, we were asked about the empty fridge ('we assumed the house was abandoned even though the cupboards were full') We both stated 'Did you look at the fridge in the garage? It is full to the brim as we only went to Tesco's on the 23rd.' Their answer 'Oh, we didn't think to look in the garage' (The back door to the garage was open and unlocked) We were released without charge on unconditional bail pending further investigation of our computers.

The main interest is what 'campaigning sites' we were 'visiting'. They wanted to know why we were visiting this site, M4J, Fassit, obu-investigators, Uk Legal, Inquisition 21st Century, our own site, etc. The interviewers said, this was an indication of our attitudes and was an indication of 'mixing' will unacceptable people which could put our son at risk. Our solicitor stated during the interview, 'You are fishing- you are interviewing them for 'thought crimes''.

While we were being interviewed, they executed a further search warrant and took our son's bed. (?)

We were before a district judge yesterday. He has renewed the ICO until Oct 19. We are not allowed contact with our son- even though the judge said, even if it is supervised, the parents must as soon as possible have regular as close to daily contact with their child.

The report from the SS was written by a gent who we had filed a complaint against at the begining of August. The SS Director took our complaint seriously enough that an independent investigator has been appointed. The report clearly contains twisting of information, deliberate omissions and speculation.
The fact that we had filed a complaint was not made known to the court. His report states that the parents 'have filed multiple complaints against the local authority 'in order to deflect the concerns of the local authority and to be obstructive.'
What is also interesting is the following:
a) this gent has two roles: one for the local authority and one for CEOP
b) We are well known critics of CEOP and I have been in multiple media critising their activity.
c) My computer contained legally privledged information in relation to a criminal appeal before the High Court within the next 10 days. A few months ago, our main computer forensics expert was raided and the legally privledged information taken from him. Because the police refused to return it, this went to court and the Chief Constable was deemed to be in contempt of court for his refusal. (google Jim Bates and Colin Port)

So that is where we are.......................

TC

I'm so sorry.

The Police really are half wits. Of course you have a second fridge or freezer - a lot of people do.

There are plenty of people who you meet but don't "know" on the internet. That doesn't mean anything.
If a neighbour in the street is add up for robbery, it doesn't mean by "proximity" you were involved in it, or even knew about it. Yes, the internet is like a neighbour. You have no involvement in their finances or their lives, though you may speak.

Your solicitor sounds cool. Criminal solicitors are awesome. "Thought crimes" indeed. He's won my first smile of the day, one cool bloke!!

'Thought Crimes' indeed so laughable I have just choked on my lemon tea!!! They are either all very pressumptious, or are all psychic if gthey know what you're thinking. Have they has Sally Morgan (well known psychic) in to analyse your thoughts (sorry, sarcasm )

The LA refusing contact is a serious matter, especially as the judge directed such frequent contact. The LA are now effectively in contempt of court, commital proceedings (there is a case where the LA were warned about this by the judge, look it up and use it against them).

In our case the L.A said that Just cause we have a fridge full of fruit n veg don't mean we feed it to our children. no win situation.

If you need anything TC just give us a buzz

Odd definition of "abandoned".
1. House with all utilities connected
2. House full of food
3. Were all the clothes taken
4. What about electrical TV sets, video's, DVD's.
5. Telephone and broadband
6. High value laptops and computer equipment

were all those taken too?

for all they knew your first fridge could be on the blink ...
They're overplaying it's relevance and significance.


So anyone on these sites is deemed "undesirable" to mix with children, is that their view?

POLICE STATE!!

TC - This does not stack up.

You have the search warrants - what do they say about the grounds for a search and the items being searched for? Do they specify "all premises under control of Mr and Mrs TC"? IF SO THEN THE SEARCH OF THE GARAGE SHOULD ALSO BE RECORDED AND A FRIDGE FULL OF FOOD NOTED SO ANY CASE FOR CHILD NEGLECT CAN BE INSTANTLY DISMISSED (NFA).

However, the fact that they have taken your PCs and asked about websites indicates they are looking for something else - is this specified on the search warrant? If not your solicitor is right in calling this a fishing expedition but more importantly the police cannot use spurious reasons to gain search warrants and then sieze unrelated items as the basis of an investigation into other activities. You need to get the legal guys to sort this ASAP.

I am still at a loss as to why they phoned you in the middle of your short holiday to return to be arrested for child neglect - what were the grounds for this?

Are there any other criminal charges?

Sorry, TC, but this is not adding up for me.

TC - This does not stack up.

You have the search warrants - what do they say about the grounds for a search and the items being searched for? Do they specify "all premises under control of Mr and Mrs TC"? IF SO THEN THE SEARCH OF THE GARAGE SHOULD ALSO BE RECORDED AND A FRIDGE FULL OF FOOD NOTED SO ANY CASE FOR CHILD NEGLECT CAN BE INSTANTLY DISMISSED (NFA).

However, the fact that they have taken your PCs and asked about websites indicates they are looking for something else - is this specified on the search warrant? If not your solicitor is right in calling this a fishing expedition but more importantly the police cannot use spurious reasons to gain search warrants and then sieze unrelated items as the basis of an investigation into other activities. You need to get the legal guys to sort this ASAP.

I am still at a loss as to why they phoned you in the middle of your short holiday to return to be arrested for child neglect - what were the grounds for this?

Are there any other criminal charges?

Sorry, TC, but this is not adding up for me.

See as I said:
We went to London on a 3 day mini break. (Wed to Friday)

Unknown to us, a member of another site that we are members of, was arrested. (on his computer was found my email address)

They have not left us the search warrants, or the lists of what they took, or a copy of the PPO.

The reasons for the urgency was that they claimed to have 'intelligence' that we were going to meet this individual. The individual lied to everyone on a particular website to do with the law about his history.......very long history. We indeed had no plans to meet this individual. However, when they raided his house and took his computer, he had been talking to some one in another country about a 'fantasy' and the child in the 'fantasy' had the same name as my child. We knew nothing about this until we were interviewed.

So the neglect accusation was that we were supposedly putting our son at risk by being in the company of a 'dangerous man'.

Now does it make sense?
TC

Yep, makes more sense now. Nothing to do with the fridge really (LOL)

They should have left you a copy of the warrant and the seizure log - does your solicitor have this?

I am very concerned about the removal of your son's bed - does the other individual by any chance have a history of child sexual abuse (either actual or alleged)? Sorry to be so blunt about this.

I presume they will now be going through all your contacts/emails to see if they can show you were planning to meet this individual which I assume they will not prove. Unfortunately for you they will also see all your other internet activity and they will share this with the SS as part of standard multi-agency child protection procedures. What a mess!

First thing to do is get contact established with your son. Are you using a family law solicitor for this? You will be entitled to legal aid regardless of income. You could go LIP but I would say you can do very well with a good solicitor - I used Bill Bache and would always recommend them or Brendan Flemming in Birmingham.

Next thing is to work on the criminal defence - you can't afford a conviction.

I really feel for you as I was convinced you were almost out of the nightmare.

Do you feel able to share the name and site of the individual who was the subject of the police enquiries? I am thinking about all the rest of uys on here who may have had contact with this individual.

I have checked with my legal team and can say the following:

this gent in question is not whom he claimed to be (indeed it turns out we didn't even know his real name!)

My husband was given 20 minutes with our son today. My son's first statement was, I want my mummy....where is she? (the SS claimed in court yesterday that my son never wanted to see me again) My husband said, well.....mummy wants to see you, why would you think not....he just looked at the SW and nodded and said, 'she told me to say it' My husband told my son that I was missing him so bad that I have become ill. (whidch is not a complete lie)

May I ask if anyone else here has been contacted by dramatis?

I do know our other solicitor (CS) has written to the SS and police and said taking our child in light of the case going to the HIGH COURT early next week as further evidence of abuse of power. I would post completely legal links to the fact the police and SS have been put on notice that they have kidnapped a child but I don't WANT TO cause problems for people here.

We would welcome the chance to speak to Bill Bache.......I think this is a case he would be interested in.

One last thing........my family have offered to come from the USA to be supportive.........suddenly they are getting emails from the UK about this story.......and not from us......the email's are not about my baby's welfare but our political activism....my family are unable to find the source of the emails.

An open letter has been posted by a friend......on the internet...message.............political, social and economic beliefs are no reason to 'kidnap' a child.............in essence,my child is being held prisioner in the UK until I state that they 'the laws' are good and the child protection industry is about looiking after our children....and accept that they know better than us............

My 7 year old made clear in that 20 minutes to his Daddy.............don't give in............

TC

What a SCANDALL!!
this is bad news. I hope you are holding up alright. I can not believe they have taken YOUR kid for thinking they are a species and a breed just like hundreds of us do. Watch out everyone. ( I hope the little man is holding up ok)....Christ on a crutch
The obvious one is you switch the fridge off often while away.
Dared I say more for fear they will swoop because I agree they are TWATS!

As posted on the Guardian Website today:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... mentpage=1
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TC

And what exactly do these chat logs show?

1. He didn't declare who he was to you. He hid his real identity.
2. You had no plans to meet him.

And, the point of all this is?

Surely it was a ruse to snatch your son and put him under SS control.

I hope that now the criminal barristers are in on this, the SS will run. They will try to delay the return, using the criminal case as a reason.

Then once the criminal barristers threaten to bring it all out in public court, the CPS will drop the case.

It's been done to Mobaldy, me, and I think Freebird. So we can see the patterns of SS/Police team work.

The minute it goes to emergency court hearings and the case will go public, is the second the CPS will back down, as it's malicious prosecution.

Getting your son out of SS control is the urgent matter, and I'm sure the Criminal barristers will kick in fast. Once they kick in they're great and give the SS a run for their money. We need the criminal system to control the SS. It might work out better if they threatened you with a criminal case, as you can bring in the press to watch your case. If ever you wanted to go public, they've just handed you the golden key.

Update...........my father has brought in the USA State Department.......to see if my child is being kept in 'humane' conditions............the SS made a big deal of us not being 'British'.........so can we. My son will be 8 on Sept 14........I was taken into hospital to have him early on Sept 11,2001, There is a reason why we named him X.....defined as 'the branch of peace' which is meant to be the meaning of the name.

TC

YAY!! for dad.

update!!! again.......

it would appear that the individual who was 'grooming' us, because he could not get access to us for the last 3 weeks.....has started on another member here.

When we were interviewed by the police, they just kept going on about a 'laptop' and insisting it was mine.. we kept saying it was not ours....then the penny dropped.

The police and solicitors (yes on a saturday!) have been informed.
TC